Comments on: Private Investigator License May Be Required for Computer Forensics http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/ Private Investigator | Public Records | Internet Search | Privacy | Reporting | Personal Information | Adoption | Genealogy | Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:38:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Aaron http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-421521 Aaron Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:53:39 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-421521 Wow, look at the propaganda from the unlicensed computer forensics people:  "only PI's are supporting licensing"  "The simple truth is that being a PI has very little to do with being in computer forensics..."  (Just from two commenters) Usually the unlicensed ones talk this way.  PI's support licensing.  Computer Forensics is by "legal definition" an investigation.    I know of many PI's who are computer forensics experts.  In one state the "founder of computer forensics" is a licensed PI, and he goes way back.  States support licensing.  Clients support licensing.  etc.  It's to protect the public, stupid, from the growing number of computer forensics fraudsters, incompetents, and more.  Geez, the fees being charged for computer forensics brings out the high tech coackroaches.  One guy in CA is now in prison after testifying several times as a computer forensics expert before his criminal history was discovered and false resume.  It is humorous how unlicensed computer forensics examiners or investigators, whatever they call themselves believe they are so special, so godlike that they are immune from licensing.  Ask a barber, lawyer, taxi driver, pilot, teacher, CPA, engineeer, doctor, and others why they are licensed.  Arrogance is one of the problems with computer geeks who think they can expand into civil and criminal high tech investigations without licensing. Wow, look at the propaganda from the unlicensed computer forensics people:  “only PI’s are supporting licensing”  ”The simple truth is that being a PI has very little to do with being in computer forensics…”  (Just from two commenters)

Usually the unlicensed ones talk this way.  PI’s support licensing.  Computer Forensics is by “legal definition” an investigation.    I know of many PI’s who are computer forensics experts.  In one state the “founder of computer forensics” is a licensed PI, and he goes way back.  States support licensing.  Clients support licensing.  etc.  It’s to protect the public, stupid, from the growing number of computer forensics fraudsters, incompetents, and more. 

Geez, the fees being charged for computer forensics brings out the high tech coackroaches.  One guy in CA is now in prison after testifying several times as a computer forensics expert before his criminal history was discovered and false resume. 

It is humorous how unlicensed computer forensics examiners or investigators, whatever they call themselves believe they are so special, so godlike that they are immune from licensing.  Ask a barber, lawyer, taxi driver, pilot, teacher, CPA, engineeer, doctor, and others why they are licensed.  Arrogance is one of the problems with computer geeks who think they can expand into civil and criminal high tech investigations without licensing.

]]> By: Anonymous http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-421334 Anonymous Wed, 20 May 2009 00:34:21 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-421334 Look around and notice that only PI's are supporting this legislation. Of course they are, it financially benefits them. Then read the opinions of those actually knowledgeable and qualified in this field. This is insane. http://www.secureworldexpo.com/events/conference-details.php?cid=2564 Look around and notice that only PI’s are supporting this legislation. Of course they are, it financially benefits them. Then read the opinions of those actually knowledgeable and qualified in this field. This is insane.

http://www.secureworldexpo.com/events/conference-details.php?cid=2564

]]> By: Me http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-421333 Me Wed, 20 May 2009 00:27:57 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-421333 These laws will do little to "professionalize" digital forensics and much to lower the qualified workforce in the states which implement such laws. The simple truth is that being a PI has very little to do with being in computer forensics. Computer forensics requires knowledge and a background in Information Systems. You can't bring in Rockford Files to analyze a drive and expect him to do anything but bungle it all up sideways. Putting a PI through a crash course in computers and digital forensics just isn't going to do anything but create a dangerous overconfidence. These laws will do little to “professionalize” digital forensics and much to lower the qualified workforce in the states which implement such laws. The simple truth is that being a PI has very little to do with being in computer forensics. Computer forensics requires knowledge and a background in Information Systems. You can’t bring in Rockford Files to analyze a drive and expect him to do anything but bungle it all up sideways. Putting a PI through a crash course in computers and digital forensics just isn’t going to do anything but create a dangerous overconfidence.

]]> By: Barbara http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-272807 Barbara Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:07:09 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-272807 How can I find out which state require licensing for out of state Computer Forensic companies? Thank you, Barbara How can I find out which state require licensing for out of state Computer Forensic companies?
Thank you,
Barbara

]]> By: Jeff Cully http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-260484 Jeff Cully Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:49:50 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-260484 I am a PI in Washington State who is working on getting my PI license in Oregon as well to be able to work with insurance companies. Which as any of you who own/run an agency knows is a very hard field to get into. They insist on complete professional attitude and work product. With all the hoops that We as Investigation Agencies have to go through just to be able to practice are art, I think that it is only right and nessasary that ALL investigators NEED to be to have the proper documents for the state in which Investigators intend to work. The computer forensics is not that NEW. Its been around for many years now to where the industry has been so saturated with individuals who cash in on some NEW line of investigation that it has become "open season" for anyone who thinks that all they need to be able to do is get information form the computer. Computer Forensics must be held to the same standard as any Investigation Agency or Agent. At the same time if individuals want to "do" what those of us the are legitimate Agencies "do" without the proper licenses and insurance and have a non-professional attitude and work ethic, then by all means be our guest, because it only makes US who are working to make this industry as professional as possible look much much better. And WE will get the work and will get it done right. I am a PI in Washington State who is working on getting my PI license in Oregon as well to be able to work with insurance companies. Which as any of you who own/run an agency knows is a very hard field to get into. They insist on complete professional attitude and work product. With all the hoops that We as Investigation Agencies have to go through just to be able to practice are art, I think that it is only right and nessasary that ALL investigators NEED to be to have the proper documents for the state in which Investigators intend to work. The computer forensics is not that NEW. Its been around for many years now to where the industry has been so saturated with individuals who cash in on some NEW line of investigation that it has become “open season” for anyone who thinks that all they need to be able to do is get information form the computer. Computer Forensics must be held to the same standard as any Investigation Agency or Agent. At the same time if individuals want to “do” what those of us the are legitimate Agencies “do” without the proper licenses and insurance and have a non-professional attitude and work ethic, then by all means be our guest, because it only makes US who are working to make this industry as professional as possible look much much better. And WE will get the work and will get it done right.

]]> By: Computer Forensics http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-254530 Computer Forensics Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:53:21 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-254530 Computer crimes are almost everywhere. Computer Forensics Specialists are hired by companies to determine why the hacker made such things. They collect evidence that arelegally admissible in court, and protect corporate assets and reputation. The best way to become a forensics expert is to attend a training session with a computer forensics training expert.And that is the COMPUTER FORENSICS TRAINING Course Computer Forensic Certification. Computer crimes are almost everywhere. Computer Forensics Specialists are hired by companies to determine why the hacker made such things. They collect evidence that arelegally admissible in court, and protect corporate assets and reputation. The best way to become a forensics expert is to attend a training session with a computer forensics training expert.And that is the COMPUTER FORENSICS TRAINING Course Computer Forensic Certification.

]]> By: George Michaels http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-244004 George Michaels Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:43:45 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-244004 The PI licensing laws are being enforced NOW, in many states, and it's been going on for several years now. The issue is getting attention because of those who did not check the licensing laws, and are getting caught. Oh well it will all work out. Only the qualified, licensed, and background cleared professionals will survive....AS IT SHOULD BE... The computer forensics field is getting messy, unprofessional, and needs a cleanup. One of the responders is IT and he thinks he can do investigations too, while unlicensed! I hope you do a case where I am on the other side so I can show you how licensing laws are enforced. I have been on cases and know how it's done. The PI licensing laws are being enforced NOW, in many states, and it’s been going on for several years now. The issue is getting attention because of those who did not check the licensing laws, and are getting caught. Oh well it will all work out. Only the qualified, licensed, and background cleared professionals will survive….AS IT SHOULD BE…

The computer forensics field is getting messy, unprofessional, and needs a cleanup. One of the responders is IT and he thinks he can do investigations too, while unlicensed! I hope you do a case where I am on the other side so I can show you how licensing laws are enforced. I have been on cases and know how it’s done.

]]> By: Computer Consulting Kit Preview Blog http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-227846 Computer Consulting Kit Preview Blog Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:12:33 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-227846 With so much at stake with security and data protection for business computer users and home users – sensitive personnel files and private identity information, etc. – upping the ante on requirements for computer consultants and anyone that deals with sensitive information seems to make sense. I think it’s possible we’ll see heavier precautions being taken as technology continues to advance, particularly when it comes to government agencies and other entities. It seems like increased regulations could also open up a lot of new partnership opportunities for computer consulting firms as well. With so much at stake with security and data protection for business computer users and home users – sensitive personnel files and private identity information, etc. – upping the ante on requirements for computer consultants and anyone that deals with sensitive information seems to make sense. I think it’s possible we’ll see heavier precautions being taken as technology continues to advance, particularly when it comes to government agencies and other entities. It seems like increased regulations could also open up a lot of new partnership opportunities for computer consulting firms as well.

]]> By: Don Anderson http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-227519 Don Anderson Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:31:40 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-227519 PI's need to understand there own state statues on computer forensics when it involves pornography. Some states, such as Michigan, you must be a law enforcement officer or work for a law enforcement agency and then there strict guide lines. Know your own state laws! PI’s need to understand there own state statues on computer forensics when it involves pornography. Some states, such as Michigan, you must be a law enforcement officer or work for a law enforcement agency and then there strict guide lines. Know your own state laws!

]]> By: Paul Braga http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-227439 Paul Braga Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:17:04 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-227439 These will be "special" PI licenses issued to individuals who don't do the "gumshoe" stuff. Also unless you're an ex-Fed forget about getting into this line of work, plus Encase is very clear about considering anyone who's ever done any defense work as "being on the other side". After hearing that crock it became clear this was going to be a waste of time. I have a business as an IT consultant which is going well, investigations is still an interest but IT pays the bills. Having said that this experience is very useful in analyzing "incidents". These will be “special” PI licenses issued to individuals who don’t do the “gumshoe” stuff. Also unless you’re an ex-Fed forget about getting into this line of work, plus Encase is very clear about considering anyone who’s ever done any defense work as “being on the other side”. After hearing that crock it became clear this was going to be a waste of time. I have a business as an IT consultant which is going well, investigations is still an interest but IT pays the bills. Having said that this experience is very useful in analyzing “incidents”.

]]> By: John Roberson http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/comment-page-1/#comment-227394 John Roberson Sat, 05 Jan 2008 04:55:12 +0000 http://pibuzz.com/2008/01/04/private-investigator-license-may-be-required-for-computer-forensics/#comment-227394 I think the wording in the South Carolina legislation is right on. I think the wording in the South Carolina legislation is right on.

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